Talk:Remi-Alain Ray

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This article violates two rules...first of all, it violates the policy on creating pages about current Staples students. Does Remi-Allen Ray know about this article? Did he give permission? I do believe that this is a good article, and it sounds like a noteworthy person, but unfortunately he hasn't graduated yet. This article also violated part 2 of the Acceptable Use Agreement, in that it disclosed personal or confidential information about others (in this case, his exact date of birth).

I don't necessarily feel that this article needs to be deleted, but because of the policies and potential privacy issues I felt it was necessary to begin the process of discussion. --Tom 11:39, 7 February 2006 (EST)

I disagree. Yes, I do know that articles about individual students in most circumstances shouldn't be created, but exceptions are granted for the most notable ones, such as Glenn Thrope, Michael Mulligan and Evan Tschirhart. From all of the publicity Remi has been getting lately from his achievements, I can't see why he's any less worthy than those three. Yes, he hasn't graduated yet but I don't see that as grounds to delete the article.

Weiner44408 17:20, 7 February 2006 (EST)

Where does one draw the line between noteworthy students and non-noteworthy ones? This article, is quite good, however. Isn't his college admission personal information, too? -- Akrell 20:30, 7 February 2006 (EST)

It is public knowledge that he is going to Yale. The "line" between noteworthy and not is whether or not they are an absolute "star" at anything; because Remi is fastest at track deserves him this title.

I don't think the fact that Remi is noteworthy is in dispute...assuming that this article is accurate and truthful (not being at Staples on a daily basis and not following sports, I wouldn't know), he is definitely noteworthy (though your definition is a bit fuzzy). The main issue is that the wiki has a policy that there are to be no articles on current students, except in the form of user pages (note that the three examples you cited are all graduates). Now I wasn't present when these policies were formed, and I'm not familiar with the exact reasons for this policy. I'd appreciate it if someone could explain it, in fact, especially the question of whether the policy has to do more with our consensus or more with school policy. It may also have to do with the line between noteworthy and non-noteworthy, and a specific person's bias (why did you create an article on Remi anyway...do you know him?). I also agree that there may be cases where there could be exceptions (I, for example, feel that some noteworthy actors/actressses in Players may be worthy of an article), but as I said, I'm not familiar with the exact reasoning behind this particular policy. We need to get more people in on this discussion... --Tom 02:18, 8 February 2006 (EST)

Proven reason why it should be kept

I really think that since he is noteworthy, the article should be kept. The reason why some of you may not want it kept was due to the fact that it may violate privacy.

I am determined that he will not be offended by this article, and that this AfD discussion will lose. I did have a conversation with Remi about it, and a recording can be found below. Now that the privacy issues are out of the way, this article shall be kept. Weiner44408 21:51, 14 February 2006 (EST)

Download the Recording here (you must right click this link, then "Save target as"; that's the only way it will work) Weiner44408 21:51, 14 February 2006 (EST)

I am not able to play the downloaded file (though I use linux and don't have the best compatibility). Note that the privacy issue is not the only one. The question that I have is, "If Remi gets his own article, who else should? Who shouldn't?". If we only allow alumni, automatically only noteworthy people have articles because they are known, and the topic is always less controversial. -- Akrell 19:46, 9 February 2006 (EST)

Probably cause you have Linux; I tested and made sure it worked, and User:Bjordan was able to hear it. Yes, current students typically shouldn't have their own articles, but Remi is a special case, as he is the track team's greatest runner, has broken several school records and is among the fastest in the country, not to mention his countless news appearances. No offense, but expect articles on other superstars like Jacob Heimer and Mia Gentile in the future. Weiner44408 21:33, 9 February 2006 (EST)

As has been posted many times before (Adam, I hope that you do not think that this is yelling), the fact that Remi is a great student and runner is not what is up for debate. What we are discussing is whether or not to have pages about students in general. We all may agree that Remi is noteworthy, but what about other students? I, personally, (with no offence to them) have never heard of any of the other runners that you mentioned. So many Staples students consider themselves "special" that we could very well end up with over 1,000 articles about people who not one of us have ever heard of (or ever will here of.) I need not even say that the purpose of this Wiki is to be an encyclopedia about Staples, not a moral booster for students with big egos. So, before anymore articles about students are made, I think it is important that all contributors who care about this matter post their oppinion about what the policy should of should not be. So far I am neutral: it would be much easier to just allow all student articles, while it is also true that these articles could "delute" the quality of this Wiki. --Mike Schneider 21:16, 10 February 2006 (EST)

How about we set forth a guideline as to requirements for notoriety of those we make articles about, whether it be alumni or current students. Like their name being mentioned prominently in some sort of national publication or a certain number of online references to them. I think Wikipedia has something similar. -Brian Jordan 23:49, 11 February 2006 (EST)